As I have been allocated CafeWorld about which the presenters did not really talk, I would like to switch to MarketPlace, on which I have spent some time myself.
Marketplace, as explained by its name, is a place that a market operates, the difference from conventional marketplace is that this one is a e-market built into Facebook, meant to make full use of its enormous social network. It now has about 3.3 million users and Group 7 described it has made great success as well as provides Facebook users a convenient way of transactions. Is it really the case?
Marketplace is vitally different from other applications: it is an OFFICIAL release by Facebook. This brings tremendous advantages to Marketplace. An easy example is that Facebook has an API specifically built for Marketplace (they are deprecating it now though). This would not be possible for unofficial applications. Other than that, another obvious advantage is Facebook could advertise its own applications more than other companies. After all, it does not need to pay for the ad fees and go through any negotiations with itself. With such inherent advantages as the starting point, it would be impossible that Marketplace not having many users, even if it is really as poorly designed as Pillowfight, users would still try it as it is built by Facebook itself. So, is Marketplace really a success after all? The answer is negative.
It is true that Marketplace has over 3.3 million monthly active users, which is a big number. While Facebook as a platform has over 350 million users, so less than 1 percent active Facebook users actually play around with Marketplace. I guess this figure is quite poor given the analysis in the above paragraph. What does it say? It says that Marketplace is not successful, at least till now it has not been successful. Why?
First thing first, Facebook does not really know what it wants Marketplace to do. Is it a duplicate of ebay? Maybe, at least it looks like it. But where is the secured online payment system? Things simply doesn't work without it. Then let us assume it is a platform for physically closely spaced users, why get it so complicated that every time I look for something, I have to choose within how many miles away I want from a certain city? This just makes things worse. From another angle, what kind of goods Facebook wants to sell? Is it new items or used items? Normally people won't care about distance much if they buy new items but it becomes critical when they are buying second-hands as they are facing much higher unsatisfactory rate and quite possible will not accept the item. In this case, long distance not only increases the risk of swindle but also makes returning of unwanted items very tedious.
Secondly, as Facebook is not sure about what Marketplace should do, it now stays in a awkward situation.
On one hand, it is directly competing with famous E-commerce companies like Ebay. Facebook is likely to fail. Let's just take Ebay for example, it is the most famous e-commerce brand. According to one of its 08 quarterly report, ebay had over 80 million active users, which is highly likely to have exceeded 100 million today. Well, this is a huge difference. It seems to me there is no chance that Facebook could win. Actually Group 7 commented in their excellently awesome video ( it is really awesome :) ) that Facebook is trying to integrate a online payment platform into Marketplace. In my opinion, this helps little, for reasons that it has a too small market share and has no distinguished advantages over its competitors.
On the other hand, Marketplace is not optimizing the platform as a regional second-hand market. It does supports functions like sort out items according to users' network settings and things like that, but it is too complicated to use and not user-friendly. As commented in the 5 paragraph, people tend not to sell second-hands on big e-commerce sites like ebay. Does it mean that people are not selling second-hands? Of course not. As my observation indicates, people tend to make use of local forums to buy and sell second-hand items. The reason is apparent be cause it is simple, easy and safe. Second-hand items are actually in tremendous need because they often carry a higher value/price ratio. While it is much more difficult for people to actually find second-hand items comparing with new items. This is where business lies.
Summing up the above two paragraphs, we see that Marketplace is trying to accomplish two functions at the same time, while not successful for different reasons.
How should it improve itself? My idea is that on one hand instead of competing with big e-commerce companies like E-bay, it should seek possible chances to cooperate with them. On the other hand, Facebook should optimize its advantage of having a giant interconnected user group to occupy the world's local second-hand markets. It should simplify its UI to make it as simple and easy as possible. A desirable result is that users could spend only 3-5 mins a day to quickly look through items that he might be interested in, just like what they would do in a farming game. Real-name policy simplifies and secures transactions tremendously. In such a way, Marketplace might be able to really popularize itself and make a success.
Tuesday, February 2, 2010
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Yes. I think Marketplace simply will not work without online payment. Number of users just exceeds 3 million, which barely compares to Singapore's. You could already estimate how many of these users come from Singapore. Unless the number of users increases tremendously, I would not even bother to search for a product from perhaps 50 local sources.
ReplyDeleteI think they are improving. I once was confused that there are two views about the new version since oodle took over. one kind of users think oodle brought new life to marketplace(this can be observed from the growth of the MAU), there are also users complaining about the new UI(tehy preferred the old versions). Now I understand a bit, the new version is trying to add more features(some features are really useful) but they make app too more complicated at the same time. I think they will improve considering the users' feedbacks.
ReplyDeleteAs I have been allocated CafeWorld about which the presenters did not really talk, I would like to switch to MarketPlace, on which I have spent some time myself.
ReplyDeleteIn my group's defence, I think we presented another side of the app which was the revenue model, why it was popular and some things about the company, Zynga, behind Cafe World.
The notion was that we did not want to look at Cafe World only at the face value and time was limited so I'm sorry that we couldn't tell you how the game works.
Another reason of our approach is because we guessed that most other groups would cover the workings of how their own apps worked (going by the book) and that our presentation would bring something different to the table.
So yes, we did not talk about the game mechanics or how it was played exactly. That was not our priority. Nonetheless, I feel that there were worthy points to think about in our presentation.
One, we hoped that people would take an interest and read up about Zynga and its revenue model. Two, we hoped that people would think about the ethical issues involved. Three, people will become interested to find out how different social gaming company revenue models work. (eg. Zynga vs Playfish)
We chose to approach our app with a different perspective from most others. It may thus be difficult for you to see it from your own perspective. However, there must be a reason for what we did. Try to understand our perspective and what we're saying.
" It seems to me there is no chance that Facebook could win. Actually Group 7 commented in their excellently awesome video ( it is really awesome :) ) that Facebook is trying to integrate a online payment platform into Marketplace. In my opinion, this helps little, for reasons that it has a too small market share and has no distinguished advantages over its competitors."
ReplyDeleteI disagree. I think the entire reason it isn't as successful is precisely because they have yet to integrate an online payment system. 3odd million users is fantastic considering there, yeah, is nothing really special about it at the moment - it's merely a classifieds. If people are willing to go all the way to Ebay, wouldn't it be so much easier to buy/sell from Facebook where I can trust the people more and where I am logged in most the time (well, more than Ebay anyway)? I thought it was a useless app at first, but reading that it is an official release from Facebook was exciting because it open's so many doors and brings all the potential back, if FB decides to venture in this market. It's definitely evolving, and they are merely testing the waters now, figuring out exactly how to implement it. The app's existence shows they have an idea, it isn't for fun. And I look forward to see what will happen.
Ebays 100million is nothing compared to FB's 300million. Yeah, ofc we can't expect all 300million to use, but even 1/10 of them is impressive. And I can imagine Ebay users with FB accounts shifting over, but not vice versa :P And FB would be able to capture those who do not use Ebay but with FB accts. Then perhaps at the end of the day, all Ebay will be left with is, hmm... Ebayers who refuse to use FB ;P
As I have been allocated CafeWorld about which the presenters did not really talk, I would like to switch to MarketPlace, on which I have spent some time myself.
ReplyDeleteCan change the topic urself meh?
We did describe how the app works at the beginning of the presentation, just that we wanted to look at the big pic, so we went on to talk abt the company behind this app.
@shannon
ReplyDeleteI think while having a payment system help, there is still an issue of security.
Anyone can create an account and screw/scam/cheat alot of people. The delete said banned account and create a new one. All behind a private IP address.
Unless marketplace somehow restricts it's users to having a security card or actual identification(which is impossible due to the internationality of the platform). I doubt I'll feel safe enough to use it, because in the event that I'm scammed, I can't hold anyone accountable, and I don't even know who is it I dealt with.
@Yecheng - Really not too sure about switching apps like this.. might wanna talk to a tutor about this
Anyone can create an account and screw/scam/cheat alot of people. The delete said banned account and create a new one. All behind a private IP address.
ReplyDeleteI think this is an issue that all other websites that work with monetary transactions have to deal with. The standard procedure is to demand that the user produce information about his/her credit card and address before he/she can engage in trading. The same can be done with Marketplace.
I also believe that the lack of payment facility is the main reason why marketplace is not doing that well.
ReplyDeleteIf I were to buy some stuff online, I would prefer to use the marketplace (if it has a intuitive UI and payment facility) as the person's character is more visible on facebook than on ebay. On ebay, I've seen sellers creating fake accounts to buy fake stuff from the seller so that we can generate more positive reviews and higher ratings. But on Facebook, we can see more, not only reviews and ratings, we can also see how he/she view his/her friends, and how his friends view the seller. So in this way, we can be more assured about the seller's credibility before purchasing something.
- Hong Jun
While Facebook as a platform has over 350 million users, so less than 1 percent active Facebook users actually play around with Marketplace. I guess this figure is quite poor
ReplyDeleteMarketplace is a highly specific application. A more accurate measure of popularity would come from the question "How many % of online traders on FB, use Marketplace?"
First thing first, Facebook does not really know what it wants Marketplace to do. Is it a duplicate of ebay?
No. We made a point in the video that Marketplace essentially tries to harness the power of the underlying social network that is Facebook. ebay cannot do that. Remember John's example? He was faced with a choice between a seller from ebay and a friend's-friend on Marketplace. He chose the latter. Another crucial point is that users can involve friends in their purchase decisions easily. Once again, it's just the social network, and that is the foundation of Marketplace.
Then let us assume it is a platform for physically closely spaced users, why get it so complicated that every time I look for something, I have to choose within how many miles away I want from a certain city?
Undoubtedly, that popup is annoying. But the idea behind is pretty straightforward. Users have a better alternative at ebay if all they want is to buy from strangers who may be continents away form them. It follows that since they are in Marketplace, they're either looking to buy from people who are close to them in their network (if you imagine the network as nodes and links), or those who live nearby (for convenience; imagine you wanted to buy a second-hand refrigerator and you found a good deal from someone in Singapore).
From another angle, what kind of goods Facebook wants to sell? Is it new items or used items?
Facebook doesn't want to sell anything actually. It's upto the users, they can sell whatever they want to, from pets and knives to cars and houses.
It seems to me there is no chance that Facebook could win.
The new Marketplace is in it's infancy. How can we just use current figures to say that Facebook will never win? I'm sure in their inception, people must have also said Pillow Fight or Superpoke or Farmville would be epic failures. The potential of social networks is huge.
Facebook should optimize its advantage of having a giant interconnected user group to occupy the world's local second-hand markets.
Sounds like a good idea.
It should simplify its UI to make it as simple and easy as possible.
Totally. This is one of the points raised quite frequently.